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		<title>By: Eric Scheidler</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-10021</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Scheidler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

I can&#039;t agree with your assessment, especially not the idea that Roeder&#039;s actions were &quot;caused&quot; by pro-life apathy.

The pro-life community in Wichita, Kansas, is extremely active. George Tiller&#039;s abortuary was under constant protest, and a lawsuit against Tiller was moving forward in state court.

Of all places, Wichita was one where pro-lifers could feel a sense of optimism. There&#039;s no way to lay the blame for what Roeder did at the feet of the pro-life movement, especially the pro-lifers of Wichita, Kansas.

For more perspective on the legal and philosphical issues here, I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://prolifeaction.org/about/news/2003v22n3/hill.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article, &quot;Homicide Justifiable?&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by my mother, Ann Scheidler, written in 2003 when Paul Hill was executed for killing an abortionist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with your assessment, especially not the idea that Roeder&#8217;s actions were &#8220;caused&#8221; by pro-life apathy.</p>
<p>The pro-life community in Wichita, Kansas, is extremely active. George Tiller&#8217;s abortuary was under constant protest, and a lawsuit against Tiller was moving forward in state court.</p>
<p>Of all places, Wichita was one where pro-lifers could feel a sense of optimism. There&#8217;s no way to lay the blame for what Roeder did at the feet of the pro-life movement, especially the pro-lifers of Wichita, Kansas.</p>
<p>For more perspective on the legal and philosphical issues here, I recommend <a href="http://prolifeaction.org/about/news/2003v22n3/hill.htm" rel="nofollow">this article, &#8220;Homicide Justifiable?&#8221;</a> by my mother, Ann Scheidler, written in 2003 when Paul Hill was executed for killing an abortionist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Darnel</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-9783</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Darnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since everyone else is chiming in, I might as well do the same.

I&#039;m neither a pacifist nor anti-death penalty.  As such I understand that muder does not just mean killing another human being.  It means killing an innocent human being.  Our Founding Fathers who killed to defend liberty were not murderers, nor were our ancestors who killed to end slavery, nor our grandparents who killed to halt the expansion of totalitarianism.  
I guess Scott Roeder was wrong to kill George Tiller, but only because it probably didn&#039;t do any good.  It was not wrong because Tiller was somehow innocent.  

I&#039;m not a legal scholar like Pat so I can&#039;t comment on the legality of Roeder&#039;s act.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s more nuanced than this.  But my point is, it is perfectly concieveable that the use of force may someday be the most justifiable option to defend the unborn.  We should not hesitate to resort to it if that time comes.  As Francis Shaeffer said, we must recognize a &quot;bottom line&quot;.  

I hope we never reach that day.  But we&#039;ll never really know as long as most pro-lifers are content just watching things go on like usual.  Roeder was wrong, but most of us have no leg to stand on.  Our apathy caused his outburst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since everyone else is chiming in, I might as well do the same.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m neither a pacifist nor anti-death penalty.  As such I understand that muder does not just mean killing another human being.  It means killing an innocent human being.  Our Founding Fathers who killed to defend liberty were not murderers, nor were our ancestors who killed to end slavery, nor our grandparents who killed to halt the expansion of totalitarianism.<br />
I guess Scott Roeder was wrong to kill George Tiller, but only because it probably didn&#8217;t do any good.  It was not wrong because Tiller was somehow innocent.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a legal scholar like Pat so I can&#8217;t comment on the legality of Roeder&#8217;s act.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s more nuanced than this.  But my point is, it is perfectly concieveable that the use of force may someday be the most justifiable option to defend the unborn.  We should not hesitate to resort to it if that time comes.  As Francis Shaeffer said, we must recognize a &#8220;bottom line&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I hope we never reach that day.  But we&#8217;ll never really know as long as most pro-lifers are content just watching things go on like usual.  Roeder was wrong, but most of us have no leg to stand on.  Our apathy caused his outburst.</p>
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		<title>By: clirus</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-1298</link>
		<dc:creator>clirus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be reminder that the only legal way to change immoral public policy is by electing Christians to Public Office.

Every Christian must vote and must encourage fellow Christians to become political candidates. 

The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be reminder that the only legal way to change immoral public policy is by electing Christians to Public Office.</p>
<p>Every Christian must vote and must encourage fellow Christians to become political candidates. </p>
<p>The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McPheters</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McPheters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My conclusion surrounding this episode is that justice has been done; we must continue to pray, not as we have, but strengthen our prayer so that episodes like this do not occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My conclusion surrounding this episode is that justice has been done; we must continue to pray, not as we have, but strengthen our prayer so that episodes like this do not occur.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prolife4Life I stand by my statement that Roeder killing Tiller saved babies lives.  If you have contrary numbers on the # of abortions performed at that clinic prior to and since Roeder and can provide them then provide them; but I find it h your claim that it has not made a difference at that clinic hard to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prolife4Life I stand by my statement that Roeder killing Tiller saved babies lives.  If you have contrary numbers on the # of abortions performed at that clinic prior to and since Roeder and can provide them then provide them; but I find it h your claim that it has not made a difference at that clinic hard to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Jesus would do something if he saw a PP on the corner in Jerusalem and women going in and killing His children. He was pissed at  their hypocritical religious practices turning over tables and hitting people with his cords around the Temple.
What would He have done? Something more than the nothing I see people stand idly by and let happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Jesus would do something if he saw a PP on the corner in Jerusalem and women going in and killing His children. He was pissed at  their hypocritical religious practices turning over tables and hitting people with his cords around the Temple.<br />
What would He have done? Something more than the nothing I see people stand idly by and let happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Prolife4Life</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Prolife4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TruthSeeker,

Your comment about &#039;Roeder killing Tiller saves babies lives&#039; is not a fact. No one can ever find a good enough reason to justify murder.  Murder can&#039;t be justified.  Murder is taking the life of another person, no matter who that person is or what they do.  Murder is never right and it will never be right.  Roeder killing Tiller does not help save babies lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TruthSeeker,</p>
<p>Your comment about &#8216;Roeder killing Tiller saves babies lives&#8217; is not a fact. No one can ever find a good enough reason to justify murder.  Murder can&#8217;t be justified.  Murder is taking the life of another person, no matter who that person is or what they do.  Murder is never right and it will never be right.  Roeder killing Tiller does not help save babies lives.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
Carhart and Hern would be killing elsewhere if they weren&#039;t going after Tiller&#039;s &quot;clients&quot;.  Logically, without Tiller on this earth there are two less hands killing babies, which means that it helped save babies lives?  If nothing else then the lives of the babies scheduled to be killed on the week after his murder were likely saved.  And I can&#039;t see how the pro-aborts can gain public support by making a late term abortionist a &quot;martyr&quot; for their cause, their is no way to put a good face on late-term abortion.  

Do you have any real numbers about the number of abortions performed at the mill in Wichita?  How many were there in the months leading up to what Roeder did, and how many in the months since?

Truthseeker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
Carhart and Hern would be killing elsewhere if they weren&#8217;t going after Tiller&#8217;s &#8220;clients&#8221;.  Logically, without Tiller on this earth there are two less hands killing babies, which means that it helped save babies lives?  If nothing else then the lives of the babies scheduled to be killed on the week after his murder were likely saved.  And I can&#8217;t see how the pro-aborts can gain public support by making a late term abortionist a &#8220;martyr&#8221; for their cause, their is no way to put a good face on late-term abortion.  </p>
<p>Do you have any real numbers about the number of abortions performed at the mill in Wichita?  How many were there in the months leading up to what Roeder did, and how many in the months since?</p>
<p>Truthseeker</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Scheidler</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Scheidler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TruthSeeker&#8212;

What babies did Scott Roeder save from abortion? Tiller&#039;s pals Warren Hern and Leroy Carhart were ready and waiting to swoop in and do the abortions he had scheduled -- and collect the heft fee.

Given the persistent pro-life presence at Tiller&#039;s Wichita abortuary, these babies&#039; mothers may have had &lt;em class=&quot;underscore&quot;&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; an opportunity to be reached before going through with the abortion, thanks to Roeder.

And instead of Tiller going down through legal means&#8212;and he was really on the run before he was killed&#8212;he&#039;s become a hero. Hern and Carhart are being hailed, too.

How does that help save babies?

&#8212;Eric Scheidler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TruthSeeker&mdash;</p>
<p>What babies did Scott Roeder save from abortion? Tiller&#8217;s pals Warren Hern and Leroy Carhart were ready and waiting to swoop in and do the abortions he had scheduled &#8212; and collect the heft fee.</p>
<p>Given the persistent pro-life presence at Tiller&#8217;s Wichita abortuary, these babies&#8217; mothers may have had <em class="underscore">less</em> an opportunity to be reached before going through with the abortion, thanks to Roeder.</p>
<p>And instead of Tiller going down through legal means&mdash;and he was really on the run before he was killed&mdash;he&#8217;s become a hero. Hern and Carhart are being hailed, too.</p>
<p>How does that help save babies?</p>
<p>&mdash;Eric Scheidler</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://prolifeaction.org/hotline/2010/roeder/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there are wacko fringe late term minor molesting without parental consent pro-aborts there will be people who they rub the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there are wacko fringe late term minor molesting without parental consent pro-aborts there will be people who they rub the wrong way.</p>
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